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hiit iit and quiit iit ([personal profile] ang) wrote2011-04-17 03:45 am

dude-watching with the brontes

Holy fuck. I remembered HOT GIMMICK as being basically a series about how ~~~romantic~~~ an intensely abusive relationship is, but I completely forgot exactly how abusive Ryoki is. I am just like WHAT every third chapter. At least. WHAT. WHAT.

Which is sad, because there are certain aspects that are kind of endearing/interesting to me (by which I mean "Incredibly spoiled boy is bad at feelings. Attempts to have relationship. Continues to be terrible at feelings and also at interacting with other human beings in any sort of meaningful way"). So I'm like, wow, this would be awesome if it weren't for all the coercion, and controlling behavior. I'm sure "faily dickbag in love" is possible to write without it turning into, well, this nonsense.

(Although weirdly, I am more pissed off about the fact that Azusa and Hatsumi end up being friendly again after that fucked up crap he pulled on her early in the series. WHO EVEN DOES THAT.)

Also, also, I remain immensely irritated by that tendency of stories to be like "Oh, well, this one sibling is conveniently adopted so it's not like it's ~really~ incest if he's in love with his sister." Dude. He grew up thinking of her as a sibling. I don't care if they're not actually blood relatives, that's some incest right there is what that is.

(On the plus side, Akane and Subaru are kind of great?)
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[personal profile] lilacsigil 2011-04-17 08:38 am (UTC)(link)
"Oh, well, this one sibling is conveniently adopted so it's not like it's ~really~ incest if he's in love with his sister."

Well...maybe. There's more than one kind of adoption in Japan which could certainly be influencing the storytelling. You can adopt a kid in the Western sense, you can adopt an orphaned kid through duty (he's a relative's child, he's the child of someone to whom you feel obligated or someone who was in your protection) and that child may or may not be treated as part of the family. There's also adult adoption where the older gay person adopts their younger partner so they can be a family, or adult adoption when a family with no sons adopts their eldest daughter's husband as their son, but he's still married to the daughter despite technically being her brother. So I think there's probably some different concepts about adoption influencing that. No excuse for fucked up crap that women keep having to forgive, though.
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[personal profile] lilacsigil 2011-04-17 11:48 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, it's a weird cop-out because with the Westermarck effect this kind of quasi-incest should be just as rare and just as uncomfortable as actual incest! I haven't read anything with this particular cop-out myself, though, except for some odd readings of The Mill on the Floss and Emma!
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[personal profile] cereta 2011-04-17 03:10 pm (UTC)(link)
"Oh, well, this one sibling is conveniently adopted so it's not like it's ~really~ incest if he's in love with his sister."

Oh, God, I haaaaaaaaaaate that trope. Soaps and VC Andrews, man. One soap went so far as to have a man date a girl (I use that word deliberately, because she was like 19 at the time) whom he first thought was his daughter then his half-sister. Eeewwww.